Warriors Score 150...Again

   

High Scores This Season wrote:
   158 (New York) vs. Memphis
   154 (Chicago) vs. Dallas
   152 (Golden State) vs. Toronto
   150 (Golden State) vs. Miami
   148 (Cleveland) vs. Memphis
   148 (Portland) vs. Sacramento
   147 (Dallas) vs. Chicago
   145 (New York) vs. Milwaukee
   143 (New Orleans) vs. Memphis
   143 (New Orleans) vs. Charlotte
   143 (Portland) vs. Oklahoma City
   142 (Portland) vs. Miami
   141 (Cleveland) vs. Orlando
   141 (Indiana) vs. Cleveland
   140 (Indiana) vs. Boston
   140 (Clippers) vs. Charlotte

I don't think anyone is scoring more than the 158 the Knicks put up. Wish there was something we could do about the league wise scoring.

Madness. Durant's average is ridiculous too.

Rizzo (NO) wrote:I don't think anyone is scoring more than the 158 the Knicks put up. Wish there was something we could do about the league wise scoring.

The issue I see is obvious, the average SCR rating for players is way too high. There's no reason we should have so many players with 80+ scoring, I think that's the only reason the games are out of control. I've never seen anything like it, but it's because the database averages are extremely high. Durant & Lebron should be the only players above 85scr, while guys like Rose, Lillard, etc. should range from 75-80. If the league average is down, their performances will still be similar but it will prevent games from getting out of control. The league should have MAYBE 1 or 2 games above 130 but thats it. 60 games between 130-139 is just outrageous.

First I hope I can keep the record
I like building high scoring teams, and it's also nice having the record after most people telling we would lack scoring after the Rubio trade this offseason.

Anyway I don't thing the SCR rating mean anything here, or at least not much.
I mean, the SCR rating mostly helps to know who's taking more shots in the team. So the value itself doesn't matter IMO, just the differential between the players on the court.
For instance, if I have a roster on court with the following SCR ratings: 90,80,70,60 and 50, the player with 90 on SCR will take most shots, let's say using the Standard offensive set.
If you chose ISO Offense instead, the guy with 90 SCR will take even more shots in this case, whereas if you chose BALL MOVEMENT, the guy with 90 on SCR may still take the highest attempts, but the different won't be as much as in the ISO or Standard case.
What I mean here, is that if you have another lineup with the following SCR ratings: 50,40,30,20 and 10, with the Standard offensive set selected, the player with 50 on SCR will still be taking as many shots as the guy with 90 in the previous lineup. And the same with the rest of the offensive sets, since what it counts its the difference among the players playing at the moment.
(not the exact numbers in the example, since it's 90 out of 99, 80/99, etc and then the translation to 50/99 isn't totally acourate in terms of numbers, but you get my point here, and they're valid in terms of doing just the difference)

And you've got the prove in my team here.
We own the highest scoring record, and we're also 3rd in the league in scoring as a group, yet our highest SCR rating belongs to Bosh with 72, being Rubio the next with just 62, Budinger 62, McGee 57 and Lee 56 in our starters. 2nd unit: Belinelli 52, Felton 59, Ezeli 52, Babbitt 49 and Koufos 49 too.
Even Bosh is far from a high SCR rating, and our starting lineup average stands at just 61.8.
We still play Ball Movement, so that we play more as a team and not always try to find Bosh as our guy with highest SCR rating.

All this said, I know some of you would say that SCR also affects what a player does once he gets the ball, meaning that he can attack the rim (shoot, drive, whatever the usual options) or pass the ball.
What I mean is that it might be like that in some way, but the PAS rating would also be in play in that case. But anyway, and just summing up, some people think that if you have low scoring rating guys in you team you're going to shoot the ball less, and I don't think it works like that. Each team produces a certain amount of possessions, and you're not going to shoot the ball more only because all your guys have +90 on SCR. (See the OKC team after trading LeBron, not the actual one, with so many stars with high SCR rating, and still struggling to score). Or that a team like the Knicks isn't going to shoot the ball cause we've got low SCR rating guys. I mean, we don't spend the possessions passing the ball even after clock expires just because the players got low SCR rating. In fact we play a high peace to maximice possessions, and that means shorter ones (THAT, and not having high SCR rating guys).

Or at least that's how I see it...

That said, scoring 150 on the Heat (even with Durant & Hawes playing hurt), deserves more credit that 158 on Memphis.

Good point Jamal

I always thought that a player with high SCR rating has more ability on offense and hence will score more - but this is not necessarily the case. This player will attempt more shots but not necessarily make them....

When Jamal did his Knicks season preview I commented saying that his team will not score a lot of points because there are no Knock high scorers based on SCR. Makes sense now how wrong this was...

andrei (POR) wrote:Good point Jamal

I always thought that a player with high SCR rating has more ability on offense and hence will score more - but this is not necessarily the case. This player will attempt more shots but not necessarily make them....

When Jamal did his Knicks season preview I commented saying that his team will not score a lot of points because there are no Knock high scorers based on SCR. Makes sense now how wrong this was...

You and me both, usage% and playmaking are underrated and LAC/NYK proved that you can turn role players into high % impact players given the right team makeup. I was wrong too.