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Who the hell saw this one coming???

Not sure what to think but initial thought was "why" for Minny?

Second thought was "I like it for NY but now they need a SF"...

Third thought, "Is Bosh being traded or Asik or McGee for a SF, is Gallo headed back to NY?"

Fourth thought, "Why for Minny?" I like McLemore Parsons Love, very nice core but man I think a FA SF may have been better off cause now they'll have to pay Parsons next sesson and I don't believe he has Bird Rights.

Edit: Nope, Parsons not extension eligible...

Cyriste(spelling?) rollin' over in his grave...

Love it for the Knickerbockers, but not a bad return for Rubio by any means.

Yeah, didn't expect that at all...Wow.

Riot (MKE) wrote:Love it for the Knickerbockers, but not a bad return for Rubio by any means.

Not a bad Year One return, after that Minny needs to pay Parsons and without having any leverage whatsoever (Bird Rights) and him not being ext eligible he'll have to win or have some sort of upside to keep Chandler cause guess what comes next season....

Player Agents.

Parsons will be extendable next season and MIN will have his full bird rights.

That being said, it's certainly solid return for Rubio, even if he is the best player by far in the deal. You gotta pay to upgrade/consolidate.

Will be interesting to see NYK now. He has some holes on the wings he'll need to fill this Offseason.

I think its pretty unfair to say Rubio is the best player "by far" in the deal. Lin was an allstar in the East last year, and his stats are damn near the same as Rubio's. I just wasn't as impressed as most by Rubio last season.

Where are you getting your misinformation from op?

Chandler is UFA 2015, he had a TO for 2014
Shamsports:
Chandler Parsons $926,500 $964,750 N/A N/A N/A N/A $1,891,250

Spotrac:
CONTRACT:4 yr(s) / $3,700,000 AVERAGE SALARY $925,000 GUARANTEED:$2,664,750 SIGNED USING: Cap Space FREE AGENT:2015 / Unrestricted
YEAR BASE S. BONUS MISC. CAP HIT
2011-2012 850,000 - - 850,000
2012-2013 888,250 - - 888,250
2013-2014 926,500 - - 926,500
2014-2015 964,750 - - 964,750
2015-2016 UFA
2011 and 2012 seasons are guaranteed
2013 $600k guaranteed (not guaranteed if waived before 1/1/13, partially guaranteed if waived between 1/1/13 and 6/30/13, fully guaranteed after 6/30/13)

Can't post the freakin link but Chandler is UFA 2015

Edit: Researching on Clutchfans site it states Houston DOES have Bird Rights and will be an UFA 2015 so not sure the extra 5th tpyr applies to this, likely does. He is not extension eligible, TO exercised yr 4 (2014-15 season).

Solid deal all around, Parsons is underrated and a nice fit between McLemore and Love. Like Willy said this is a decent FA class in terms of small forwards but Lin had a great season so all in all MIN got what they were looking for.

Does NYK rebuild around Rubio? There are a few win now pieces in Asik and Bosh so I'm curious as to which direction Jamal decides to go. I have my reservations regarding Rubio (defense, shooting) but he's about as pure a point guard as you'll find, he is the best "value/upside" piece in the deal.

Jake0890 (MIN) wrote:I think its pretty unfair to say Rubio is the best player "by far" in the deal. Lin was an allstar in the East last year, and his stats are damn near the same as Rubio's. I just wasn't as impressed as most by Rubio last season.

All-Star means very little when the basis is raw stats.

His raw stats are inflated due to a very high drive rate (almost 100 lol), evidenced by his high TOs and low efficiency (1.8 a/to is horrid for a PG, 50.7% TS).

Also, stats don't matter too much IMO outside of shooting percentages.

Plus, I wanna add that when someone has the potential to be the best passer and ball-handler in the entire league, that makes him pretty valuable, especially when he's not atrocious on the defensive end (like Calderon). His scoring will always suck though.

WillyJakkz (HOU) wrote:Where are you getting your misinformation from op?

Chandler is UFA 2015, he had a TO for 2014
Shamsports:
Chandler Parsons $926,500 $964,750 N/A N/A N/A N/A $1,891,250

Spotrac:
CONTRACT:4 yr(s) / $3,700,000 AVERAGE SALARY $925,000 GUARANTEED:$2,664,750 SIGNED USING: Cap Space FREE AGENT:2015 / Unrestricted
YEAR BASE S. BONUS MISC. CAP HIT
2011-2012 850,000 - - 850,000
2012-2013 888,250 - - 888,250
2013-2014 926,500 - - 926,500
2014-2015 964,750 - - 964,750
2015-2016 UFA
2011 and 2012 seasons are guaranteed
2013 $600k guaranteed (not guaranteed if waived before 1/1/13, partially guaranteed if waived between 1/1/13 and 6/30/13, fully guaranteed after 6/30/13)

Can't post the freakin link but Chandler is UFA 2015

I don't see why he would be. He's coming off a rookie scale contract. Maybe coz it's a four-year deal for a second rounder? I dunno.

Either way, the important thing is that MIN can extend him next season and will have his bird rights in the offseason if not, and having player agents actually gives an ADVANTAGE to teams that own players' rights, since there will be negotiation (instead of someone potentially outright signing an FA).

Not sure why you keep saying he can be extended, he's in the final year of his contract.

He's expiring at season's end, UFA 2015 offseason.

As far as PA goes it depends on the Player's personality traits etc so I'm not surmising he'll leave, I'm saying he's a FA and Year One this trade is great, Year Two they could lose him and the trade becomes Lin for Rubio.

WillyJakkz (HOU) wrote:Not sure why you keep saying he can be extended, he's in the final year of his contract.

He's expiring at season's end, UFA 2015 offseason.

As far as PA goes it depends on the Player's personality traits etc so I'm not surmising he'll leave, I'm saying he's a FA and Year One this trade is great, Year Two they could lose him and the trade becomes Lin for Rubio.

If we're in the Offseason, he should be extendable now then. I was talking in terms of us still being at the end of the 2013-2014 season.

True, there's always that possibility (I still don't see why he's a UFA and not an RFA) I guess, but as long as they match any offers they should be good.

Also, Franklin's underrated IMO, has the potential to be a really nice. Already tried acquiring him to no avail, haha.

Interesting trades thus far. Excited to see more as they get posted.

Looks like SAC is going rebuild. LAL making a strong move, like that. I think MIN got awesome value.

I'm on the fence about Rubio. I have Marshall and expected him to really excel, and he's been kind of blah. Both he and Rubio should be incredible floor generals, but we'll see if that happens.

Damn...

Westbrook Beal Butler Stoudemire Horford...

That's pretty damn nice...damn...


@op: Gotcha, I'm assuming NY already picked up Parsons TO.

Really like the deal for both sides. Each values the return more than the outgoing.

Horford is still only 27, and gives a very good big to play next to Stoudemire for LAL. He's much better for the next few seasons than whatever they could've gotten at #7 and #17 IMO.

For SAC, it makes sense to rebuild that mess of a roster, and what better way than two good draft picks?

LAL now just needs a good SF and role players, and that's another tough team (roster-wise at least) in the West to add to that conference.

orangeparka (MIA) wrote:

Jake0890 (MIN) wrote:I think its pretty unfair to say Rubio is the best player "by far" in the deal. Lin was an allstar in the East last year, and his stats are damn near the same as Rubio's. I just wasn't as impressed as most by Rubio last season.

All-Star means very little when the basis is raw stats.

His raw stats are inflated due to a very high drive rate (almost 100 lol), evidenced by his high TOs and low efficiency (1.8 a/to is horrid for a PG, 50.7% TS).

Also, stats don't matter too much IMO outside of shooting percentages.

Plus, I wanna add that when someone has the potential to be the best passer and ball-handler in the entire league, that makes him pretty valuable, especially when he's not atrocious on the defensive end (like Calderon). His scoring will always suck though.

For the record, Calderon's DEF rating is 55, Rubio's is 57.

I guess I get what you're saying ,but still, Rubio was nothing spectacular last year. I think this might just be a case of his name being worth more than he actually provides (in terms of reception of the trade, not what Jamal gave up to get him).

Jake0890 (MIN) wrote:

orangeparka (MIA) wrote:

Jake0890 (MIN) wrote:I think its pretty unfair to say Rubio is the best player "by far" in the deal. Lin was an allstar in the East last year, and his stats are damn near the same as Rubio's. I just wasn't as impressed as most by Rubio last season.

All-Star means very little when the basis is raw stats.

His raw stats are inflated due to a very high drive rate (almost 100 lol), evidenced by his high TOs and low efficiency (1.8 a/to is horrid for a PG, 50.7% TS).

Also, stats don't matter too much IMO outside of shooting percentages.

Plus, I wanna add that when someone has the potential to be the best passer and ball-handler in the entire league, that makes him pretty valuable, especially when he's not atrocious on the defensive end (like Calderon). His scoring will always suck though.

For the record, Calderon's DEF rating is 55, Rubio's is 57.

I guess I get what you're saying ,but still, Rubio was nothing spectacular last year. I think this might just be a case of his name being worth more than he actually provides (in terms of reception of the trade, not what Jamal gave up to get him).

Ah, but his STP% was 85% and his STL 81, with the potential to get better.

You're right, his year was just alright (good defensively and A/TO, but not much scoring-wise). It will depend on whether he can be used properly and develop well in NYK.

I personally don't like him for my team obviously, but I can see the potential.

I think its a decent haul for Ricky, but a lot depends on Parsons.  If they can't re-sign/trade him then this will be a pretty big loss.  Ricky should fit in pretty well in NY though.  Also like the deal for the Kings.  This gives them some good pieces to rebuild around with those picks and I personally wasn't a huge fan of Horford so its a good deal all around.

I think the Lakers/Kings deal makes perfect sense for both teams. That had to be about the best Sacto could get for Horford and the Lakers now have themselves a great starting five. Just need to round out that bench and they should be in the hunt for a good playoff seed.

The Dylan BlackIce connection continues.

Looking forward to seeing how many capers they pull off with Josh Smith being the first.

Not sure what position the Clippers'll be in by 2016 but not seeing upside in giving away Smith for expirings and that pick. We'll see.

Well, can't say I like the Rubio deal. To me, Rubio is one of the top 3 PGs in the league and with Parsons, you have no real assurance he is going to come back. I've told Blackice many a time that in my mind, PG is the hardest position to get in online leagues.

The Lakers/Kings deal makes a lot of sense. One team wanting to win, another looking to rebuild. Should be interesting for both.

I finally get the Sacramento deals now, clearly Joel Embiid and Jabari Parker will be in the 2015 CSL Draft so they make moves to bring in the tank now.

You don't make the moves they're making if not.

WillyJakkz (HOU) wrote:I finally get the Sacramento deals now, clearly Joel Embiid and Jabari Parker will be in the 2015 CSL Draft so they make moves to bring in the tank now.

You don't make the moves they're making if not.

I agree. Though at the same despite the draft class, a Horford/Smith tandem isn't taking you anywhere. And that Smith contract is a dozy.

WillyJakkz (HOU) wrote:I finally get the Sacramento deals now, clearly Joel Embiid and Jabari Parker will be in the 2015 CSL Draft so they make moves to bring in the tank now.

You don't make the moves they're making if not.

I'm literally the only person who knows who's in the next few draft classes. I haven't told Dylan anything haha