CSL PG Battle

There's no doubt some great PGs in the league. But this year, some of them are carrying their respective teams to the top of the standings. Let's break them out and see what they've been able to so far this season:



The order is just made by teams record, and I made a list of 'only' 10 PGs (sorry for that, but it's a lot of work doing the table, and it's crazy even with 10).
Want to mention that Pistons PG wasn't included, just because they just traded Jameer. Maybe should've included Knight, but I first thought that since it has played SG most of the time, it didn't make sense to compare him, but maybe I should've..  I'm sorry about that emplep. Similar with Utah. They just traded Conley, so didn't make sense to include Teague here.

Also had to make the cut somewhere, and since I decided to make a 10 player list, some guys that might belong here for individual stats were left outside. Honorable mention here to: Isiah Thomas, Tony Parker, Mario Chalmers and Jeremy Lin and some other that are playing great but whose team record isn't good enough.

Hope you find it interesting.


*EDIT: The whole table ends at TD (Triple-Doubles). Make the window wider to see it complete.

PG might be the most stacked position in the CSL. Maybe only behind centers.

Damian Lillard is just dominant though. Best PG in the league. 56.5% FG% and 40% 3P%? That's just unfair.

Great read - thanks for that

Lillard is a freak of CSL but Smart is close behind him. Both are still young and have a few development years left so it is crazy how good they are going to be. Westbrook will also be there when he gets healthy

Interesting that we don't have Kyrie on the list... probably due to high inefficiency

Lillard is crazy. I would take him hands down just due to his nasty efficiency and his all around game.

If our record was better, Kendall would be on this list. Hopefully next year.

People talk about this position being "stacked" - what I think that really means is there is a ton of scoring from the PG spot. Guys like Nash and Calderon are few and far between. Once Calderon retires, it will really just be Rubio and Marshall.

There doesn't seem to be a "complete" floor general. By that, I mean there doesn't seem to be a two-way, pass/defend type guard. That player would be awesome. Perhaps Boris Dallo will be that?

Sun Scorched (CHA) wrote:People talk about this position being "stacked" - what I think that really means is there is a ton of scoring from the PG spot.  Guys like Nash and Calderon are few and far between.  Once Calderon retires, it will really just be Rubio and Marshall.

There doesn't seem to be a "complete" floor general.  By that, I mean there doesn't seem to be a two-way, pass/defend type guard.  That player would be awesome.  Perhaps Boris Dallo will be that?

Calderon? D.d..defense? 53 DEF ratings and a STP% of 35%. He passes, but he sure doesn't defend.

At no point in history has there ever been an abundance of elite, pass-first, great defense point guards. They're always few and far between. Just because a guard scores in addition to passing and defender (a la Lillard and CP3) doesn't make him inherently worse.

A problem is a high usage,  touches, turnovers and shoots of this pg, if this players have injury o bad games goodbye all team.
A lot of pg are overrating

Jake0890 (MIN) wrote:

Sun Scorched (CHA) wrote:People talk about this position being "stacked" - what I think that really means is there is a ton of scoring from the PG spot.  Guys like Nash and Calderon are few and far between.  Once Calderon retires, it will really just be Rubio and Marshall.

There doesn't seem to be a "complete" floor general.  By that, I mean there doesn't seem to be a two-way, pass/defend type guard.  That player would be awesome.  Perhaps Boris Dallo will be that?

Calderon? D.d..defense? 53 DEF ratings and a STP% of 35%. He passes, but he sure doesn't defend.

At no point in history has there ever been an abundance of elite, pass-first, great defense point guards. They're always few and far between. Just because a guard scores in addition to passing and defender (a la Lillard and CP3) doesn't make him inherently worse.

Yeah - I re-read what I wrote and I kind of blended thoughts. Let me clarify:

#1 - Pass first, low SCR PGs who also shoot nice %s. Both Nash and Calderon (and Marshall) are all terrible defenders, but fit the first description.

#2 - Pass first, low SCR who also shoot nice %s and can defend (or at least not be a matador). And I agree - they're super rare. I can't stress enough the high %'s.

The pg in csl finals 1 year isiah thomas vs kyle lowry second year ginobili vs isiah thomas

Best pg of the league are marshall riki and paul out scoring the rest are sg in pg position

If Rondo shot at a decent clip he would be that PG, but thats not happening.

Correct rondo too i forgot this

Great article and read Jamal!

My personal favorite type of PG is a pass first PG, that's who I'd build a team around if my personnel were different.

Lillard could be categorized as an Allen Iverson type of "PG", a SG who is really a scorer but gets high asts (Iverson avg'd around 7+ per season) off dishing when the defense collapses on him and not necessarily from running the offense.

As much as I love me some Marcus Smart, I think Damian Lillard could be the cream of the PG crop at this point.

Man, Chris Paul's 99% STP% gets me EVERY time. I think he's the best player on this list, given what he's done, with a CSL MVP etc. Might not put up the best numbers, but I think I'd take him over anyone else.

Smart would be a very close second though. This kid is an absolute STUD

Like emplep mentioned, Rondo could be right up there at the top if someone had actually taken the time to work on his prefs and get him to drive instead of shooting. He has no business taking jumpshots at all.

I'm happy with Deron. Specially because every player of this list is also the team's best player, with Deron being the only exception (Dwight is my best player and I'd say George gets a nod over Deron too). So if he's able to produce to keep up with the best PGs right there without been our bonafide superstar, we're in good shape.

What about EFFICIENCY? And maybe it would be better to check all stats per 36 mins. I think Wall is clearly the second best PG behind Lillard if taking into account the stats, but i'd prefer Ricky over the whole rest.

Nevetheless, great analisys

Querejeta (WAS) wrote:What about EFFICIENCY? And maybe it would be better to check all stats per 36 mins. I think Wall is clearly the second best PG behind Lillard if taking into account the stats, but i'd prefer Ricky over the whole rest.

Nevetheless, great analisys

EFFICIENCY is there, just make the window wide enough to see the whole table

emplep7 (DET) wrote:If Rondo shot at a decent clip he would be that PG, but thats not happening.

Rondo shoots 43%, which is more than acceptable for a PG with a 4.2 A/TO ratio and stops 97.6% of drives.

Looking at the whole table, Westbrook needs to be a SG. He turns it over way too much and doesn't pass well enough to be a point guard. As for Wall, one thing that piques my interest is his low number of touches vs. the minutes he plays. He's second highest on this list in minutes per game, but last in touches per game. Are you running a super slow pace Q?

Marcos_Beck (OKC) wrote:I'm happy with Deron. Specially because every player of this list is also the team's best player, with Deron being the only exception (Dwight is my best player and I'd say George gets a nod over Deron too). So if he's able to produce to keep up with the best PGs right there without been our bonafide superstar, we're in good shape.

I'd say Griffin is as good as Wall given how efficient he is inside and Lawson (for us) is clearly behind Curry and Evans in the "best player" category" and might even be the #4 behind Horford given how effective he is on both ends + low usage / high FG% play.

Did Curry not qualify as he is playing SG for us? If not I'd put him on this list too, but overall this is a very interesting breakdown. Rubio is so impactful on both ends and I forgot how dominant CP3 has been.

Sun Scorched (CHA) wrote:People talk about this position being "stacked" - what I think that really means is there is a ton of scoring from the PG spot.  Guys like Nash and Calderon are few and far between.  Once Calderon retires, it will really just be Rubio and Marshall.

There doesn't seem to be a "complete" floor general.  By that, I mean there doesn't seem to be a two-way, pass/defend type guard.  That player would be awesome.  Perhaps Boris Dallo will be that?

Lawson fits that description though he isn't a dominant player or anything like that. I'd put Conley in that category if he gets back to form with the Heat.

blackice (ATL) wrote:

Marcos_Beck (OKC) wrote:I'm happy with Deron. Specially because every player of this list is also the team's best player, with Deron being the only exception (Dwight is my best player and I'd say George gets a nod over Deron too). So if he's able to produce to keep up with the best PGs right there without been our bonafide superstar, we're in good shape.

I'd say Griffin is as good as Wall given how efficient he is inside and Lawson (for us) is clearly behind Curry and Evans in the "best player" category" and might even be the #4 behind Horford given how effective he is on both ends + low usage / high FG% play.

Did Curry not qualify as he is playing SG for us? If not I'd put him on this list too, but overall this is a very interesting breakdown. Rubio is so impactful on both ends and I forgot how dominant CP3 has been.

Yeah you have a point. Lawson is the 3rd option on your team, and Wall may be the 2nd on Wizards. Still, I'm happy that we have Williams as our 3rd best player and next to him and D12-PG duo, we have depth and a nice system. Who knows if it will work but I'm trying hahaha

Great article Jamal!
The point guard position is stacked!!

Lastly, I like to self-nominate Jrue Holiday