Round 1 - Pick 30 - Miami Heat

But yeah, the second round needs to be cut down, either by doing live draft or by utilizing NLL's shared 12 hour windows, where each set of 2 picks in the second round shares a 12 hour window. I'll admit I thought it was weird at first and I hated it, but after seeing it in a couple of drafts, I got to really like it. Not enough to abandon the live draft for my own leagues I run, but it's quite nice.

DennisJ (BOS) wrote:You are right! Actually the draft is really annoying. Most of us are always checking in to make their picks but #4, #11, #21, #30, #32 just killed the flow. I took a look and those 5 picks needed ~4 days.

Myles (SAS)The draft will begin at 0300 EST Sunday, March 2nd, with the Orlando Magic on the clock.

The draft unofficially begins now, so if teams would like to submit their draft picks before the clock starts, they may do so. The clock will not officially begin until the time listed above.


Pick 4 - Round 1 - Milwaukee Bucks
by Dylan (SAC) on Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:43 pm



The reason there is time limit is that it puts pressure on GM's to make their picks in the given window...but it also gives the GM on deck an idea of when they will be able to pick roughly. What if 10 guys pick within the hour because they happen to be online, and the GM with the #11 pick is asleep, or out. If he takes 12 hours or 16 hours from there should we blame him? What if only 2 picks were made in that timespan, how was he to know? 

#4 pick was in before the clock even started but moving forward if there is going to be an expectation/obligation for picks before the clock starts shouldn't we just start the clock when the draft opens? What's the point in having a clock if the obligation starts as soon as the draft opens? Not annoyed or anything, but no one has actually explained this.

blackice (ATL) wrote:

DennisJ (BOS) wrote:You are right! Actually the draft is really annoying. Most of us are always checking in to make their picks but #4, #11, #21, #30, #32 just killed the flow. I took a look and those 5 picks needed ~4 days.

Myles (SAS)The draft will begin at 0300 EST Sunday, March 2nd, with the Orlando Magic on the clock.

The draft unofficially begins now, so if teams would like to submit their draft picks before the clock starts, they may do so. The clock will not officially begin until the time listed above.


Pick 4 - Round 1 - Milwaukee Bucks
by Dylan (SAC) on Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:43 pm



The reason there is time limit is that it puts pressure on GM's to make their picks in the given window...but it also gives the GM on deck an idea of when they will be able to pick roughly. What if 10 guys pick within the hour because they happen to be online, and the GM with the #11 pick is asleep, or out. If he takes 12 hours or 16 hours from there should we blame him? What if only 2 picks were made in that timespan, how was he to know? 

#4 pick was in before the clock even started but moving forward if there is going to be an expectation/obligation for picks before the clock starts shouldn't we just start the clock when the draft opens? What's the point in having a clock if the obligation starts as soon as the draft opens? Not annoyed or anything, but no one has actually explained this.

Wasnt an offense. Just saying the draft wasnt slow, just those picks needed time. But you are free to defend yourself if you believe you need to.

blackice (ATL) wrote:

DennisJ (BOS) wrote:You are right! Actually the draft is really annoying. Most of us are always checking in to make their picks but #4, #11, #21, #30, #32 just killed the flow. I took a look and those 5 picks needed ~4 days.

Myles (SAS)The draft will begin at 0300 EST Sunday, March 2nd, with the Orlando Magic on the clock.

The draft unofficially begins now, so if teams would like to submit their draft picks before the clock starts, they may do so. The clock will not officially begin until the time listed above.


Pick 4 - Round 1 - Milwaukee Bucks
by Dylan (SAC) on Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:43 pm



The reason there is time limit is that it puts pressure on GM's to make their picks in the given window...but it also gives the GM on deck an idea of when they will be able to pick roughly. What if 10 guys pick within the hour because they happen to be online, and the GM with the #11 pick is asleep, or out. If he takes 12 hours or 16 hours from there should we blame him? What if only 2 picks were made in that timespan, how was he to know? 

#4 pick was in before the clock even started but moving forward if there is going to be an expectation/obligation for picks before the clock starts shouldn't we just start the clock when the draft opens? What's the point in having a clock if the obligation starts as soon as the draft opens? Not annoyed or anything, but no one has actually explained this.

I don't want to point fingers, but I think the deal with the whole unofficially starting the draft thing was that it's expected that if you're online, you make your pick so everyone else can continue on. If not, if you're asleep or whatever and don't realize you're on the clock, it's cool, no one is going to blame you for that because you're technically not required to pick.

But where it went wrong was that you knowingly went to bed when you were up to pick AND you knew exactly who you were going to pick. If I remember correctly, your trade block also said, "unless I'm able to expand my trade with Riot, I'll be taking a certain oversized guard from Kentucky... be back in 16 hours" or something like that, so you were trying to trade your pick even when you were up to pick which Myles had a thread up about. And then you did expand the trade anyway, but still drafted Andrew Harrison, which was a head scratcher because you could've just drafted him in the first place.

In any case, it doesn't matter now, but if you're wondering why people were a little irritated or whatever, that's why.

GM's are entitled to 24 hours but with an active league, they're usually on a lot more and it moves at a steady pace. A week for round 1 and since pick 30, the 3rd pick of the 2nd round should be on the clock but we're still on pick 1 of the 2nd.

I think that's where the irritation is coming from. They just want it moved forward I guess but I'm sure we'll hear something soon either way.

My view is honestly out of concern for the new GM's who don't have a pick until the 2nd rd unless they were making a trade. They have been loggingon and I'm sure may feel like not much progress was made which may be a turnoff. Not speaking for them but as a new guy they may not feel comfortable enough to actually say it.

DennisJ (BOS) wrote:Wasnt an offense. Just saying the draft wasnt slow, just those picks needed time. But you are free to defend yourself if you believe you need to.

I saw "#4" connected to "killed the flow" and wondered what the issue with my pick was is all. Plus it was a good chance to show my team how to defend.

Jake0890 (MIN) wrote:I don't want to point fingers, but I think the deal with the whole unofficially starting the draft thing was that it's expected that if you're online, you make your pick so everyone else can continue on. If not, if you're asleep or whatever and don't realize you're on the clock, it's cool, no one is going to blame you for that because you're technically not required to pick.

But where it went wrong was that you knowingly went to bed when you were up to pick AND you knew exactly who you were going to pick. If I remember correctly, your trade block also said, "unless I'm able to expand my trade with Riot, I'll be taking a certain oversized guard from Kentucky... be back in 16 hours" or something like that, so you were trying to trade your pick even when you were up to pick which Myles had a thread up about. And then you did expand the trade anyway, but still drafted Andrew Harrison, which was a head scratcher because you could've just drafted him in the first place.

In any case, it doesn't matter now, but if you're wondering why people were a little irritated or whatever, that's why.

ATL Trade Block wrote:
It's 3 AM here in Toronto, I am gonna hit the sack and then from there I'm busy until roughly 4-5PM EST which is ample time for everyone to see this post. If I can't expand my trade with MKE I'll draft a certain oversized Kentucky PG, start Faried and have Smith backup the 3/4 spots. KCP/Mayo would split backup duties at SG, with KCP getting 5-7 minutes at backup SF and Thomas Robinson becomes an injury reserve.

https://csleague.forumotion.com/t198p15-jay-bilas-best-available-draft-commentary-updated-through-18#1545


Everything you brought up is there in my reply to you. I couldn't post the pick either way because it wasn't mine to post. If it was my pick, and I waited until the last minute waiting for a trade then I completely agree. It would be legal but it would discourteous. However that wasn't the case, I did not own the pick so I posted that I would get back in 16 hours and if Riot was online and no offers to expand the deal were on the table then I'd give him the go ahead. Riot I understand could be annoyed because I had him waiting a while trying to find a 3rd party but that was way before any of this. I'm sure if he was offended he'd let me know. He posted a "patience my love" clip so I think he's ok.

As for the head scratching notion that I would expand the trade and still draft Harrison notice that Faried/Mayo went to another team. They'd be trade restricted if they came to me, it had nothing to do with drafting Harrison vs. someone else.

Jake0890 (MIN)
I don't want to point fingers

We should be able to point fingers/speak frankly as long as it's respectful I really don't mind (which it was). That said if you (or anyone) direct a statement at me (or anyone) there should be a justification or defense of it, particularly if it involves level of activity. If there is a good reason, I can learn from it and take it into account next time. I've had to eat **** for missing the playoffs (AIM) and trades on trades on trades (AIM/Board/Ex-GF) I don't mind or take it personally. I take notes, so that when I crush Miami and win the Championship this season I can take all the **** I took and dump it back on them. It's all in fun, and it makes for a competitive league. 

Seriously though in general without dialogue it's hard to find solutions, so I was thinking more long term we should start the clock when the draft opens so there is no confusion.

I don't take issue with what BI did simply due to the fact he was never officially on the clock. I also have no problems with the draft being open ahead of time for those who have the first picks especially considering they already have an idea of who they're gonna pick so it's not like that slowed the draft down at all since the official time hadn't started regardless if he or whoever was online or not while also considering the unofficial start time was kinda out of the blue.

Being solutions oriented, we could perhaps have a poll for draft time change/ otc limit or what have you or the commishes may have a different idea altogether or they may keep this instituted, we'll see.

[quote="blackice (ATL)" I was thinking more long term we should start the clock when the draft opens so there is no confusion.[/quote]

This. Although from a legal standpoint, it was fine, from an unwritten rule/common courtesy standpoint, one does not simply hold up the draft once it's started, unofficially or otherwise. Best just to make it an official rule then, so it's spelled out for everyone.